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Stand Strong, Miami-Dade: Keep Ban on Pit Bulls | Steven Kurlander

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Stand Strong, Miami-Dade: Keep Ban on Pit Bulls
Tuesday, February 21, 2012 — Steven Kurlander

You know the rule of etiquette that bans casual discussion of politics and religion?

If you live in Miami-Dade County, add a third subject: continuing the county’s ban on pit bulls.

It all started in December, when celebrity pitcher Mark Buehrle signed a four-year, $58-million deal to take the mound for the Miami Marlins. Buehrle, the proud owner of a two-year-old American Staffordshire terrier, aka pit bull, learned he could not live in Miami because of a 23-year-old ban on pit-bull ownership.

Buehrle and his wife, Jamie, immediately launched a petition drive on change.org to get the law repealed. Wrote Jamie: “It is time to put an end, once and for all, to canine discrimination in Florida and make the Sunshine State a model of humane public policy.”

And so began South Florida’s pit-bull war.

Advocates of the ban say the law should stay on the books because hospital statistics show pit bulls kill and maim people more than any other breed. Opponents argue the problem lies with abusive owners, not an inbred viciousness.

Miami-Dade, which passed the pit-bull ban in 1989, is the only Florida county with a ban on a specific dog breed. If you’re caught with such a dog, the law carries a $500 fine and mandatory euthanasia for the dog.
 
For years, critics have complained about the effectiveness and discriminatory nature of the ban, but when the Marlin’s new superstar moved to Broward County, the Florida Legislature got involved.

Sponsored by state Rep. Carlos Trujillo of Miami, HB 997 (and its companion, SB 1322) would effectively end the ban on pit bulls. Afraid the bill might pass, Miami-Dade commissioners last week moved instead to let voters make the call in a local referendum.

With their vote, commissioners passed the buck. The pit-bull ban should not be decided by popular vote or by publicity-hungry legislators eager to placate a celebrity’s move to a city where many citizens are immigrants from cultures that not only condone, but encourage, dog and cock fighting as sport.

No matter how “humane” and careful a pet owner is, certain breeds of dangerous animals should not coexist in crowded metropolitan areas like Miami. It’s basic common sense. Local officials are responsible for public safety and know their neighborhoods best.

Like pythons overpopulating the Everglades, lifting the ban on pit bulls would endanger the well-being and safety of Miami-Dade citizens.

If the push to overturn the ban continues in Tallahassee, Trujillo should throw in free box seats behind home plate for maul victims of pit bulls. That way, when Buehrle takes the mound, he can view first-hand the impact of his errant off-field pitches.

Steven Kurlander blogs at Kurly's Kommentary, writes a weekly column for Fort Lauderdale’s Sun-Sentinel and is a South Florida communications strategist.

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Sloane Quealy-Miner - Wed, 2012-02-22 13:25.

Clearly it is not pit bulls that we should fear, but the ignorant, uneducated and dangerous people like Steven Kurlander.

Stories about pit bull attacks are tragic, but isolated incidents. Those stories are blasted all over the news, but it’s stories like the ones you can link to below that people never hear about. These are the stories of pit bull heroes – the dogs who selflessly defend their families from heinous crimes, save other animals from certain death, and pull their human guardians to safety in times of danger.Stories about pit bull bravery and heroism are by themselves powerful arguments against breed specific legislation.
PIT BULL HEROES - http://bslnews.org/pit-bull-heroes-hall-of-fame/

REPEAL THE PIT BULL BAN, SPEAK OUT AGAINST BREEDISM - http://bslnews.org/2012/02/22/florida-breedist-racist-steven-kurlander-s...

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P. Dunn - Thu, 2012-03-01 16:21.

This site will open your eyes about the damages done by pits on families, communities. There is never one victim of a pit bull, there are many. And we as taxpayers are having to pay for this damage. This is the only truth, not the Anti-BSL sites where it is suggested there is more than the love of the breed involved, like the money of the dogmen and pit bull breeders. DogsBite.ORG written by a victim for the victims of pit attacks.

bigsister - Thu, 2012-03-01 23:24.

Colleen Lynn of dogs bite.org is an utter hack who is NOT a victim's advocate. She profits off the lies she tells.

If she were a victim's advocate she would be telling people how to avoid dog attacks by promoting common sense behavior around dogs of all types. She would also be honest and admit that she was hugely complicit in the bite she suffered, and that she was NOT a victim of an unprovoked mauling, as she has been claiming and getting away with for years.

http://btoellner.typepad.com/kcdogblog/2010/03/the-truth-behind-dogsbite...

http://www.pitbulletinlegalnews.com/pro-bsl-experts/dogbiteorg/109-colle...

Jake Stone - Thu, 2012-03-01 23:39.

Regarding Colleen Lynn, and dogsbite.org, the pit jihadists consider her the enemy, because she did not just shut up and take her mauling like a good little victim. Instead, she started up a web site to help other victims of dog attacks, and provide a clearinghouse for information and resources.

Naturally, the pit lobby hates this, wanting to suppress the information she points to: studies, reports, statistics from all over the world - for instance, a study by ER physicians on their observations of the damage to dog bite victims, a 30 year study by the animal people on dog attacks by breed, victim accounts, and information from around the world.

If you observe the pit lobby for very long, you find that they hate people who state the facts, and fight them at every turn, with emotional appeals, threats, accusations, lies, slander etc. In the Case of Colleen Lynn, they fabricate stories meant to discredit her. But it's not just Colleen Lynn - every report, study, or account that actually states numbers and breed information, they attack furiously - because the facts are not what they want them to be.

I would recommend that anyone interested in the facts check out dogsbite.org and judge for themselves, rather than letting the pit bull lobby dictate to them what they should think.

bigsister - Thu, 2012-03-01 23:52.

www.nationalcanineresearchcouncil.com

P. Dunn - Fri, 2012-03-02 14:07.

Following a failed self publisher author with absolutely no credentials should be against the law. Who do you thinks backs this biased vet tech? I'll give you three guesses.

Carlos Marin - Fri, 2012-03-02 19:13.

So you rather believe the woman who is now viewed as a "pit bull expert", but couldn't get a college degree and instead became a website designer. Haha, your hilarious!

P. Dunn - Fri, 2012-03-02 22:24.

Colleen Lynn has never represented herself as a "pit bull expert". And I'm the one laughing because I see you running scared of DBO. Finally someone put it all in one place and that is frightening to pit apologists. As long as you thought you could go into a place and convince people that it's just one little old attack, now people have a place to go to see how much you pit apologists are lying. Yep, I am laughing at you now, frightened little pitters.

Plus who do you follow? The little failed author, self published because no reputable publishing house will touch her biased and incorrect books. A failed author whose only credentials are that of a vet tech, big deal. So who are you to call the kettle black?

Carlos Marin - Fri, 2012-03-02 19:04.

We're not upset because she started her own site. She's has the right to.
We, particularly me, are disgusted because around 80% of the information is completely false, and when corrected she ignores you. I listed the incorrect data with the correct information on her facebook page, and got banned. actually about 50% of the information any person who is majoring in the sciences, who is taking their freshman science classes, can find the major incorrect data. For example, her 2006-2008 dog bite study has two major loopholes through that non-scientists skip. The first one is her methodology, and the second is lack of control. She did not have enough evidence to prove that the dogs involved in those attacks were pit bulls. Then SHE HERSELF made her self look like a complete fool by unwillingly confirming it. Two recent attacks 1) in Lakeworth, Texas which involved 3 dogs attacking a 18 month old child and 2) The Kyle Dyers bite. In the first one 3 major sources (cbs, nbc, abc) confirmed that the dogs involved were boxers, she posted the small media that listed the attack as a pit bulls being involved( even though the major media sources had shown the images of the dogs THAT CLEARLY looked like boxers not pit bulls). In the second one Kyle Dyers the anchorwoman from Denver, CO was bitten by a Argentine Mastiff, she listed the attack as a pit bull. Even though, pit bulls are banned in Denver,CO. None of the dogs involved in those attacks were pit bulls, but if dogs like that were listed as pit bulls in her dog bite study then we know that the data is incorrect, which nullifies her study. If the biggest thing on her page was completely falsified, what else is faked on her page?
Also even though she listed (on her facebook page)those attacks as pit bulls being involved, why is it that none of her "fans" corrected her? My two theories are 1) her fans are completely uneducated and too ignorant to see her mistake or 2) She's like a dictator, and her "fans" are too scared to correct her. In areas Cuba and North Korea, their own citizens are scared to talk about their own leader, because those who do disappear and are never heard from again.

Also why is it that I HAVE TRIED to make equal grounds with several of her fans, so we can talk about ways to reduce dog attacks and increase public safety. NOT ONE of those people cared enough about public safety to reach an agreement. Thats how disgusting her fans are. Yet, they say we are the ones with "mental problems" ugh disgusting.

P. Dunn - Fri, 2012-03-02 23:02.

If you attempted anything, you attempted to "educate" us with the propaganda of the pits, propaganda handed to you by the dogmen and pit breeders. You don't want to work with us, you want to brainwash us. Sorry, your feeble mind just ain't enough.

P. Dunn - Fri, 2012-03-02 11:22.

And you will be disgusted that these pit apologists degrade a pit victim. Then again look at any news story about a pit mauling or killing even an infant, and you will see the same thing, the pit apologists blaming the victim for their attack. How can you blame a 2 day old infant for their attack? Or the grandmother with her grandchild in a baby chair at her feet when a pit busted through her screen door and killed the baby in front of her? Yes, read up on Colleen, a victim, and remember that the pit apologists want you to think that all victims of pits are the cause of their own attacks. Disgusting lot wouldn't you say?

Carlos Marin - Fri, 2012-03-02 19:26.

So it's the infant's fault for the mother leaving them unsupervised with a dog? It's common sense, to never leave an infant alone with a dog. It's the grandmother's and grandchild's fault for an unknown dog to bust through a screen door, and attacking the child? Wow, are you really that dumb? Those are tragic events that could have been prevented.

My neighbor actually left her door open and the screen door closed. I just warned her for security reasons to leave her door closed, some criminal could easily rob them and kill them.

P. Dunn - Fri, 2012-03-02 22:28.

A grandmother was sitting right next to her grandchild, and a pit from next door busted through the screen door and killed the baby in front of her. It was not an unknown dog, it was a pet of the neighbor. Twice infants have been taken from the bed lying with their mothers and killed by the pet pit bull. So here you go, you just proved that pit apologists blame the victims. So you are telling us to not open our doors, what about windows? Want to know about the ones where the pit breaks the windows and comes in for a home invasion? I'm not changing my life to accommodate your dog. Get rid of it.

James Cueva - Sat, 2012-02-25 12:08.

Sir, you are a racist, a traitor and a fear monger. I am willing to bet you are a big fan of the PATRIOT Act and similar laws that erode the personal freedoms of U.S. citizens in the name of public safety. Your racist and misguided views have no place in South Florida. It's too bad you did not do any fact checking or research before publishing your "opinion." Sadly this third rate yellow journalism is typical of the pit bull papparazzi, which does nothing but propagate and perpetuate misinformation and fear.

You state the war over pit bulls started in December 2011. You are wrong. The fight over this discriminatory ordinance has been going on for years. Get your head out of the sand. The Florida legislature conducted a study in 2009 that concluded breed discriminatory laws are ineffective and should be repealed.

Both Miami-Dade County and the state of Florida have dangerous dog laws that are based on the conduct of a particular alleged dangerous dog. If the dog in question meets the breed neutral definition of a dangerous dog - after a hearing - then there are consequences for both the dog and its owner. These laws are more than adequate to protect residents and visitors to Miami-Dade County. Ordinance 89-22 is superfluous and unnecessary in light of the breed neutral deed-based dangerous dogs laws.

You suggest that ordinance 89-22 should remain in place because immigrants condone dog fighting and cock fighting. Was Michael Vick an immigrant? As a first generation American born to immigrant parents and resident of Miami-Dade for the past 31 years, I am offended at the racist undertones of this comment. Now immigrants cannot be responsible dog owners? Did you know that the state of Ohio repealed its breed discrimination law directed at pit bull dogs a little over a week ago? Ohio realized that breed discrimination is bad public policy. It's time Florida does the same.

I demand an immediate retraction of your ignorant and misinformed statement directed at Latinos and a written apology. Anything less would serve to encourage your racist and misguided views. Giving you the benefit of the doubt, which I doubt you deserve, your statement is a terrible stereotype of immigrants and residents of Miami-Dade. Either way a retraction and a written apology is demanded within 48 hours of this posting.

Sincerely,

James Cueva, Esq.
General Counsel
MCABSL
www.unitedagainstbsl.org

P. Dunn - Thu, 2012-03-01 15:37.

And you as an attorney should do your research about the court cases confirming that pits are indeed dangerous. Ohio fell to the money of the pit bull dogmen and breeders, look at the history of Ohio on breeding, aka puppy mills. You don't want preventative measures with a dangerous dog law, you want victims first because that is what happens if there is no BSL or bans on pits. Maybe you make a buck or two off these victims, could that be your hidden agenda for expressing your views, Mr. Attorney?

bigsister - Thu, 2012-03-01 23:32.

So, why did the Netherlands repeal their breed ban? And Italy? Why is the UK set to repeal theirs? Ohio didn't "fall to pit bull dogmen and breeders", that is utterly laughable and made up. Ohio repealed their breed ban because, like all the others, they finally admitted it wasn't working.

There are no "court cases confirming pit bull type dogs are dangerous".

I firmly believe that dangerous dogs laws are needed. Laws that target behavior and not looks, and that focus on the irresponsible humans who create the problems in the first place.

P. Dunn - Thu, 2012-03-01 23:39.

Duh, you are working against yourself here. They don't need it any more, problem was solved with the ban. And the UK is not repealing theirs, just making changes. Ohio is puppy mill capital so it makes sense they want to make money from pit bull breeders and those big litters. http://www.opposingviews.com/i/society/animal-rights/ohio-dog-auctions-d...

bigsister - Fri, 2012-03-02 00:01.

Duh, you know nothing about BSL or why it doesn't work.

You crack me up, claiming bans are being repealed because they were no longer needed.

Yes, the UK is changing theirs - to make it non breed specific. That means that there will be no more BSL in the UK.

They will still have a dangerous dog law, it just won't be one that wastes millions of pounds and targets dogs because someone has decided they have a certain look and therefore should be seized from their loving families and murdered.

P. Dunn - Fri, 2012-03-02 00:13.

Put down the pit propaganda koolaid and get out in the real world because you are so off the wall with your statements. The UK is not doing what you say, if anything they are adding the rest of the pit bull fake breeds to the list. That was their mistake, not understanding that a pit by any other name is still a pit bull.

P. Dunn - Fri, 2012-03-02 11:26.

You don't crack me up, you make me realize that I walk the streets with types like you and it makes me fearful. Obviously you prefer to keep drinking the koolaid and therefore cannot do your own research on these issues or you would know what you said it totally untrue. You only know what you dear old masters tell you and you take it as the gospel truth. I can't wait to see your face when you realize that you are completely wrong.

ashley clark - Fri, 2012-03-02 19:57.

I really think you are making things up, you are making all of these claims and not backing them up. Where is your evidence? I can quote a court case just off the top of my head that determined pits are NOT dangerous. Look up City of Hunstville vs. Sheila Tack. There has also been court cases that have determined that breed bans are unconstitutional because a pet is the owner's property and seizing it without "due process" is against the 4th amendment. Do you need me to list those too? Also why do you keep referring to Ohio as the heart of puppy mills? I have never seen anything stating that Ohio is the lead for that...last I checked, Missouri was pretty awful too and have you ever heard of Kathy Bauck in Minnesota? But I fail to understand what puppy mills have to do with pit bulls whatsoever. Pits are not typically the types of dog to be churned out by puppy mills, they don't make them enough money. Backyard breeders are the types drawn to pit bulls and that won't stop without mandatory spay and neuter and/or regulating breeders.

P. Dunn - Fri, 2012-03-02 22:41.

http://www.dogsbite.org/legislating-dangerous-dogs-appellate-court-decis... the district court found that pit bull dogs represented a unique hazard to the public safety … Pit bull dogs possess a strongly developed "kill instinct" not shared by other breeds of dogs. This testimony indicated that pit bull dogs are unique in their "savageness and unpredictability." Just one quote from all these cases.

http://www.opposingviews.com/i/society/animal-rights/ohio-dog-auctions-d... Since you seem to be unfamiliar with this issue.

Nuria Rodriguez - Sun, 2012-02-26 14:36.

"Informed Personalities from Across the State, Across the Spectrum"

I would hardly call you informed. Uninformed and ignorant would be more like it. Maybe you should actually educate yourself before you write a column in which you advertise to everyone how little you actually know about what you are talking about.

I realize this is an opinion page, but please do society a favor, and keep yours to yourself.

sayno2bsl - Sun, 2012-02-26 18:55.

When I was growing up, my family had Rotties & Dobies and the adults were looked at by many as crazed lunatics for owning those breeds with their children. Now as an adult, I get the same look cause I have a "legal" Pit Bull and a 100 lb Bully Mix (both legal and adopted at Miami-Dade Animal Services) and I have 3 boys, 2 of which have mild Autism. What is ironic, is I have to be more vigilant of my kids around my Westie than I do with them around my Bullies.

As the Co-Owner of a Local Rescue Oragnization, I have rescued many Bullies over the years. I bring them in and get them used to the pack which has Large & Small dogs as well as socializing them with kids and cats! I have NEVER had an issue with any rescue. That just tells me that these dogs are not of an evil nature. Even those we have rescued with wounds, burns and half dead from God knows what have been placed in loving family homes.

So again, is it the dog or the ignorant piece of crap that uses the dog for status and for it's own benefit? Funny thing is, this law banned 3 breeds and they are not even considered the most dangerous breeds out there. There are other breeds that are larger and more vicious that were created to rip these dogs to shreds but yet they walk around legally cause they go by a "Breed Name" not covered by the law since the people who wrote this "vague" law were clearly ignorant to this fact as well.

You want to condemn Rep. Trujillo for making this a State matter and not letting the resdients vote but why were WE not allowed to vote in 1989??? The only thing concerning the Commissioners, stated by them on record, is that this would open the door for the State to "meddle" into County matters. Wake up people, the County is shafting us on a daily basis, they are bankrupt but gave money to the Marlins and take away paying jobs from Police/Fire/Etc...while asking for a raise to do their jobs as Commissioners...Am I the only one seeing what the real issue is??

And as for this fight beginning when the Buehrle's came to join the Marlins....You cannot be more misinformed. There has been a group (MCABSL) fighting this ban since 2008. It all began with one womans vision and fight and it turned to an organization of professionals standing together for their rights to own ANY breed of their choice while educating the public and saving the lives of many dogs being mislabeled and slated for death.

Face it people, the breed will always be here and be owned by loving responsible owners regardless. The ban does not work and that is clearly stated by Animal Services. We need to target the owners that have no business owning these dogs and educating the public as to what the true nature of this dog is, not what ignorant people have made them.

P. Dunn - Fri, 2012-03-02 11:28.

And if Bruele wants to own a pet alligator, I suppose that you will change the laws for him again, huh?

anna doe - Sun, 2012-02-26 19:19.

SIR i hate to say but igorant idiots like you should be the ones to be mandatory euthanasia. Apperantly you did not do your homework very well before you went and wrote this article, because had you done so you would know that the Marlins player did not have anything to do with this there is a group in dade county that has been at this for years. I suggest that you dont write out of you ass anymore as you dont seem to know anything about this issue. By the way I have several pitts and they love everyone

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Michael Neims - Fri, 2012-03-02 00:54.

How can we leave out the ultimate whitewasher in all of this? You know, James (Jim) Crosby (http://maultalk.wordpress.com/2010/08/25/the-crosby-analysis/) of Florida who had to resign his Bay County Animal Control director position in defeat after one of his employees ate a pig from his facility (http://cravendesires.blogspot.com/2010/08/jim-crosby-aka-whitewash-jimmy...)?

The "homework" done by Steven Kurlander is spot on!

Florida citizens killed by pit bulls since the 1989 Miami-Dade ban -- none from Miami-Dade County (http://blog.dogsbite.org/2012/02/attempt-to-overturn-miami-dade-pit-bull...)!

1. June 2011, Putnam County - Roy McSweeney, 74-years old
2. October 2010, Duval County - Justin Valentin, less than 1-years old
3. April 2010, Pasco County - Thomas James Carter Jr., less than 1-years old
4. October 2007, Clay County - Tina Marie Canterbury, 42-years old
5. June 2007, Volusia County - Mary Diana Bernal, 62-years old
6. May 2007, Collier County - Carshena Benjamin, 71-years old
7. July 2006, Osceola County - John Brannaman, 81-years old
8. December 2004, Orange County - Myles Leakes, 4-years old
9. October 2004, Hillsborough County - Anton Brown, 8-years old
10. December 2003, Marion County - Alice Broom, 82-years old
11. February 2003, Hernando County - Alfred Makuc, 72-years old
12. May 2000, Alachua County - Quentin Wright, less than 2-years old
13. March 2000, Clay County - Dallas Isham, less than 2-years old
14. July 1999, Citrus County - Melissa Hunt, 5-years old
15. August 1997, Washington County - Jonathan Langford, 7-years old
16. May 1992, Orange County - Randall Ayers, 2-years old
17. October 1989, Duval County - Frances Fletcher, 73-years old

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Brian David - Fri, 2012-03-02 17:43.

It's a beautiful thing. What an Animal Control Director from outside of the Miami area has to do with BSL, questions your ability to make relevant connection to the subject matter. Using 'research' by Colleen Lynn clearly outlines your inability to maneuver investigative tactics. Colleen throws anything in her 'pit bull' list, including Boxer's and English Bulldogs. As well, she includes deaths that are not the direct result of a dog attack. If you want to post a list, you really should take the time to look into the cases rather than copying and pasting someone elses work, unless you ARE Colleen, then posting blatant lies would be par.

As for the 17 accounts you took the time to list, let's look at the circumstances if we're going to consider the results.

1 - Two dogs with a history of aggression, they had bitten people in the past and the owners chose to hide that fact, then failed to control or contain the dangerous dogs. The owners were both charged and indicted for their reckless and irresponsible behavior (2 previous attacks on humans, lying to law enforcement, obstructing an investigation, etc). The youngest of the two owners was an employee for the Corrections System at the time.
2 - Unsupervised infant
3 - While the mother slept the pit MIX inflicted more than 50 bite wounds to the infant. Charges were considered during the investigation due to the mothers admitted history of drug use and positive testing for THC/Marijuana and prescription pain killers.
4 - No explanation, two male dogs, both neutered, lived in the home and were treated well. There is nothing to indicate if the dogs (both two years old and reaching maturity) had started fighting causing the victim to attempt to break up the fight or not.
5 - Victim, a visitor to the home, was attacked by an unneutered male pit bull and unspecified breed/type pregnant female when the victim walked into the back yard alone where EIGHT dogs were contained and tried to pick up a small dog.
6- the three dogs believed to be involved were (2) boxer-pit mixes and (1) welsh corgi, according to police statements, all 3 of the dogs returned home after an unsupervised roam around the neighborhood, covered in blood.
7 - involved roaming dogs ( eg irresponsible owner); the victim died several days later of a heart attack according to ME report
8 - chained dogs, unsupervised child, relatives yard where dogs were unfamiliar with the victim
9 - the 2 mixed breed dogs were being kept for a family friend, unknown behavior + unsupervised children (no adults were home during the attack, the two younger children ran to neighbors for help).
10 - from dogbitelaw.com: "...prosecutors showed the dogs' long history of biting neighbors, while the defense tried to show that those other people bitten were actually on Freeman's property...an example of the irresponsible attitude of many dog owners..."
11 - Four Paws Kennel - you mean the one that authorities busted in 2003 for starving and abusing 29 dogs they had in their kennels?
12 - The toddler's mother stated the chained dog had a history of aggression, she knew the dangers, in fact to the degree that when the toddler took off running toward the dog she started screaming for him to stop.
13 - a 21 month old toddler wandered unsupervised into a neighbors yard where 6 dogs were chained
14 - The 5 year old girl was unsupervised, in fact had been left alone to take care of the dogs by the girls mothers boyfriend
15 - ENGLISH BULLDOG not a Pit Bull
16 - the 2 year old unsupervised victim was attacked by a CHAINED DOG INSIDE A FENCED AREA ON THE DOG OWNERS PROPERTY
17 - ENGLISH BULLDOGS - Not Pit Bulls

P. Dunn - Fri, 2012-03-02 22:43.

I can't wait for you to put up a link from Karen Delise about those. Be prepared if you do.

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Brian David - Fri, 2012-03-02 22:56.

If you would look at Colleens links, you could find the information for yourself, instead of just looking at the list and taking her at face value. You could also GOOGLE the victims names and get the information.
MOST of the info (ENGLISH BULLDOGS) are linked to each of Colleens list. She simply preys on the weak minded and ignorant, and especially the lazy knowing that most of the anti-pit people will believe anything she says.

So, go on, I dare you....click the links on her list....GOOGLE the names. READ the articles. The information is all there for you if you REALLY have an inquiring mind!

If not, you're the typical lazy, gullible, inept pit-cutter!

P. Dunn - Fri, 2012-03-02 23:06.

Thank you for proving that 1. Colleen reports on all deaths and severe maulings by the gripping breeds 2. I know DBO a lot better than you do. I say put the link up, prove yourself for a change.

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Brian David - Fri, 2012-03-02 23:51.

There are 17 incidents lists...one link?
You'll need to research that on your own, I've done my research...here's ONE for you, I'll get you started.

It's really NOT that hard, just type GOOGLE into your address bar, hit enter, then type in the victim name and scroll down the lists. You'll find numerous media accounts.
But, just to get you started in the right direction:
Here's the Makuc link.
http://lists.envirolink.org/pipermail/ar-news/Week-of-Mon-20031110/00997...

Now, if you are truly as inept as you currently appear and just cannot figure that google thing out...let me know!

Selene Suarez - Sun, 2012-02-26 21:35.

First off Mr. Kurlander not only are you Racist and Breedist!!! How dare you say that many immigrants in Miami condone dog and cock fighting, I was born and raised in Miami and am of Cuban decent, am a professional and do not condone cock fighting nor dog fighting... Please read up a little and educate yourself before going on saying that since the Miami Marlins signed Mark the legislator's have taken an interest in this issue. MCABSL has been established since 2008 and has been actively involved in BSL and overturning the ban for years. The reason we went to Tallahassee is due to the fact that for the past four years the Commissioners of Miami Dade county have ignored us, Like they do with many issues in our County. We were left with no other alternative than to reach out to Tallahassee and I'm glad they listened... I am a board member for MCABSL and have attended all the meeting in front of the Commissioners, I can quote Jose Pepe Diaz saying we cannot let Tallahassee tell us what to do in our house, This will open pandora's box and that cannot happen. I assume they are scared that Tallahassee might find the fraud this wonderful County has committed. They don't care about the dogs or the issues with this breed for that matter if that was the case why have they not made fighting any breed of dogs a Felony, Being the strongest minimum mandatory state in the US why have they not made stricter convictions on dog fighters, Why because they don't care... It cost our county $3 million a year to keep this ordinance in place but hey lets keep the ban in place an layoff 118 police officers because we really don't need them... I invite you to go down to MDAS and see into the eyes of dogs that have been dragged out of a home and put to sleep without even a bark at anyone... If you feel this is ok than you sir have just won yourself a place on my most hated people in the world right next to Fidel Castro!!!!

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Yesi Nunez - Mon, 2012-02-27 14:06.

I am a firm believer that Pitbulls , along with any and every other dog should be judged by their own specific behaviors and not by their appearance. I am well aware that due to the size of bully breed dogs an attack would cause more damage then lets say chiwawa (which btw are illegal in Australia so go figure). However all dogs can bite. All breeds do bite. This cannot be attributed to one specific type or breed of dog especially since most people cannot properly ID the breed of a dog to begin with. I feel that irresponsibility leading to attacks should be taken up with their owners. If you sir would be so kind to do so, please take time to look over the comments my colleagues have left you which have pretty accurate facts and see that the fact of the matter is that no matter what breed a dog is, it will act upon how it's raised. I wish you would see how much power you have with your pen and how many people your words reach. I would hope that as a people we can all come up with a system of educating ourselves and each other on proper pet raising etiquette to prevent all future dog violence and animal abuse from their owners. After all, WE are the ones that dogs in general depend on and look towards for support. By taking away the rights of a certain breed, you are taking happiness away from the loving families who raise Pitbulls properly. In conclusion, lets not blame a certain breed for the way they are raised and look at the people themselves. Thank you for taking your time to read this post. I hope you all have a great day and think about these facts thoroughly.

Carlos Marin - Fri, 2012-03-02 19:34.

It's a fact that black people lead in crimes. But are all black people criminals? No. So why should we judge a whole race for what a few have done. The exact same goes for dog breeds, why should we judge a whole breed for what less than 1% of the entire population have done? It's unethical, it's wrong, and unfortunately nothing spreads like fear and our ignorance gets the best of it.

P. Dunn - Thu, 2012-03-01 15:33.

Does Miami Dade want their shelter full of pit bulls like the rest of the country? Pits make up 58% average of the euthanization of dogs in shelters. Instead of enforcing the law, they want to put their citizens in jeopardy when pits make up 2/3rds of the fatalities by dogs. http://www.opposingviews.com/i/society/animal-rights/pit-bulls-will-more...

bigsister - Fri, 2012-03-02 00:06.

Even if the dogs involved in fatalities were accurately identified (which is impossible because they don't DNA them) then there would be a grand total of 20 blocky dogs with short hair that kill people each year. Twenty out of at least seventy five million dogs and three hundred twelve million people.

Let me write that out again:

20 dogs out of 75,000,000 dogs and 312,000,000 people. Your chance of dying from a dog attack is pretty much nonexistent. You have a greater chance of being stuck by lightning, or killed by a cow.

Please, tell me when people such as yourself are going to be all up in arms about the several children PER DAY who are murdered by their own parents in this country?

P. Dunn - Fri, 2012-03-02 14:11.

I love how these pit apologists always try to take the focus off the killings by pits by saying such things as coconuts kill more people. This site has all their "Maul Talk". I do believe that many of the excuses offered by the pit apologists are covered here. http://maultalk.wordpress.com/2010/08/18/lightning-kills-more-people/

Carlos Marin - Fri, 2012-03-02 19:57.

I love how the fact, she immediately goes into the fact and starts insulting the guy by calling him a nutter. Real professional Collen! It's probably why your so uneducated and couldn't even get a college degree. Yay for those who are smarter and make more money than Colleen Lynn does! Thankfully, Dogsbite.org has the 501(c)3 status. In a few months the IRS will perform a mandatory Audit. You see every 5 years the IRS has a mandatory audit, to see how they are using the money recieved. Dogsbite.org was founded in October 2007, meaning the organization is due for a mandatory audit in a few months. Once the IRS find out that she has been keeping the money ,or giving it to others who work for her, the whole organization will lose is 501(c)3 status :)

P. Dunn - Fri, 2012-03-02 22:46.

Once again, showing the true nature of the pit nutter by condemning a victim. How disgusting and low life can pit nutters get? And none of the above info is correct by the way. You have completely missed the dates.

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Brian David - Fri, 2012-03-02 17:50.

Topeka Kansas would disagree with the biased story posted on Opposing Views and reported by an accredited news outlet...

"...Most euthanasia at the shelter now takes place because of health and behavior, with “very little” resulting from a lack of space, Acree said Friday.

He said the decrease came about after the city's governing body voted Sept. 28, 2010, to revise city rules for stray cats and dangerous dogs, including loosening up regulations regarding pit bulls..."
http://cjonline.com/news/local/2011-09-23/year-later-pit-bull-rules-mean...

P. Dunn - Fri, 2012-03-02 22:49.

Where's a link? You think because you say it we are supposed to believe it? We aren't pit apologists, we aren't drunk on the koolaid. You have to prove it to us and everyone else.

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Brian David - Fri, 2012-03-02 23:28.

The link is in the comment Dunn. Unlike Opposing Views (a blog site), the link I provided comes from a recognized media professional organization.

You just have to move your mouse over the line of text that is underscored, then click with the left mouse button. That is a link, and following those simple instructions will open the link.

Want to try it by yourself now?

Anne King - Thu, 2012-03-01 21:32.

The ban must be left in place. Victims of pit bull attacks suffer enough, with the attack of the pit, then the verbal attack after the attack filled with venomous blame. To lift the ban, is a slap in the face of those who have already been through enough.

bigsister - Thu, 2012-03-01 23:12.

Seizing and killing family pets fixes nothing.

A non breeed-specific ordinance that targets irresponsible owners who have created dangerous dogs is all that is needed.

BSL is on the way to being repealed in Ontario, CN. It's on the way out in the United Kingdom. It was recently repealed in Italy and the Netherlands - because it doesn't work, it never has, and it's horribly expensive and cruel.

Anne King - Thu, 2012-03-01 23:56.

the call for the ban in Ontario to be removed is being presented as a private member's bill, private members bills are RARELY passed, even though it passed among the party and had 3 readings...the ban in Ontario will more than likely stick.

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Brian David - Fri, 2012-03-02 17:53.

Members from all 3 parties support repealing the ban. While most private members bill RARELY are passed, the possibility is more of a reality than you care to admit.

P. Dunn - Fri, 2012-03-02 22:50.

So? Just proves more money is being passed around.

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Brian David - Fri, 2012-03-02 23:31.

Isn't that what you like to say to anyone that can dispute or discern your 'arguments'?

What's good for the goose is good for the gander they say. So, PROVE IT!

Where is this money you speak of? Who is paying off whom? What's to be gained by either party?

Where's the conspiracy? Whose involved and how is so many individuals so gullible to be swayed from YOUR truth?

P. Dunn - Sat, 2012-03-03 15:36.

Put up those links like I have to prove yourself. Maybe you just take people at their word but I want to see for myself. As for the money, google Rick Berman, Center for Consumer Freedom, there's the money.

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